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Thank you. You have succintly defined what this list should be: "provided
that one does support Ukrainian studies."
Vahdim does not support Ukrainian studies. The governing board should address his being a part of the email. As for my continuing inclusion, I would gladly submit myself to a discussion of my objectivity, since I am objective and I am pro-ethical and an advocate for critical thinking and balanced analysis.
Dr. OD
-----Original Message-----
From: "Daria Fedewytsch-Dickson" [dsfd@unimelb.edu.au]
Date: 09/11/2008 10:52 PM
To: "Sorokowski, Andrew (ENRD)"
CC: ukrainians@yahoogroups.com, aaus-list@ukrainianstudies.org
Subject: RE: [aaus-list] VG, F-D:biased
Well said.
Daria
-----Original Message-----
From: Sorokowski, Andrew (ENRD) [mailto:Andrew.Sorokowski@usdoj.gov]
Sent: Fri 12/09/2008 02:11
To: OSD; solar75wind@gmail.com; chumache@illinois.edu; Daria Fedewytsch-Dickson
Cc: ukrainians@yahoogroups.com; aaus-list@ukrainianstudies.org
Subject: RE: [aaus-list] VG, F-D:biased
I was under the impression that this is a list for scholars dedicated to
Ukrainian Studies, not an association of patriotic Ukrainian scholars.
Therefore, russophilia should not disqualify one from participating --
any more than polonophilia or germanophilia or americophilia -- provided
that one does support Ukrainian studies. We all have our biases; the
issue is whether we can control them and be truthful and reasonably
objective. In the academic world even (or especially) being a
Ukrainophile can disqualify you from a job in Ukrainian studies if it
interferes with your scholarly integrity. The only russophiles that
should be excluded are those that deny the very existence of Ukraine and
thus the validity of Ukrainian studies as such.
Andrew Sorokowski
US Department of Justice (whose views he does not represent)
________________________________
From: aaus-list-bounces@ukrainianstudies.org
[mailto:aaus-list-bounces@ukrainianstudies.org] On Behalf Of OSD
Sent: Thursday, September 11, 2008 11:12 AM
To: solar75wind@gmail.com; chumache@illinois.edu; dsfd@unimelb.edu.au
Cc: ukrainians@yahoogroups.com; aaus-list@ukrainianstudies.org
Subject: [aaus-list] VG, F-D:biased
Yes, sounds like someone just threw a tantrum. But I'm sure you
wouldn't call it that.
In fact, Dr Fewdewytsch-Dickson, scholars can in fact pillory articles
by anyone without lengthy counter-argument if the proposer of such
articles has displayed consistent skewed/ biased patterns of thoughts,
such as Mr Gorbach (Vuhdeem), and the article proposed again is shown to
be a biased/ skewed piece, meant not to stimulate an objective
discussion, as Mr Gorbach claims, but to simply ensure that his point of
view is consistently represented, without accepting any
counter--argument. An example is Mr Gorbach's glee at telling the world
that Georgia used mines first instead of trying to start an objective
discussion on that topic and how the human rights of our Russian
neighbors have deteriorated under the regime of Ras-Putin.
So, in fact, it is you and Vadim that are biased and skewed since
anytime anyone raises an objection to the obviously russophillic tone of
his emails, he, then you, jump in and accuse people of being unscholarly
and biased. In fact, it seems as if the two of you are in cahoots
(perhaps you are kohutyky?) .
To the Ukrainians on this chain, do not remove yourselves from the
email. That has been the pattern of Ukrainians in the past. Are we
scholars first and then Ukrainians? I think not since if that were the
case, we would simply be members of our academic organizations rather
than this one. I propose that we are of Ukrainian heritage first then
scholars second and as such we should encourage objective debate but not
fall away from defending our point of view, our culture, our language
and yes, in fact our native country's multi-pluralistic cultures but not
at the expense of russophilic goading.
Russophilic kohutyky should be engaged in discussion, challenged and a
positive outcome would be ideal. But in the face of consistent lies (yes
lies, Vadim states he is not russophillic, that he is objective, but I
point to his body of work of emails and see not one shred of evidence of
his claims), russophillic goaders must be addressed as a topic by the
governing board of this email chain. Seeing such persistent disregard
of the guidance of what should be posted by one or two kohutyky and the
non-action of this board is confusing.
With all due respect,
Dr. Oleh Denysyk
Director, Analytics, Organ Transplantation/ Oncology
RLI Laboratories
-----Original Message-----
From: "Daria Fedewytsch-Dickson" [dsfd@unimelb.edu.au]
Date: 09/10/2008 10:35 PM
To: "Vadim" , chumache@illinois.edu
CC: "ukrainians" , "aaus"
Subject: RE: [aaus-list] Rep. Rohrabacher (R-CA): Russia was right,U.S.
was
wrong on Georgia
Just so. I am astounded that scholars should pillory articles proposed
by Mr Gorbach.
They are serious and challenging.
They can also be countered by anyone willing to put in the critical
muscle. Otherwise, merely complaining of bias without counter-argument
is tantrum-throwing.
D.
-----Original Message-----
From: aaus-list-bounces@ukrainianstudies.org on behalf of Vadim
Sent: Wed 9/10/2008 4:23 PM
To: chumache@illinois.edu
Cc: ukrainians; aaus
Subject: Re: [aaus-list] Rep. Rohrabacher (R-CA): Russia was right,U.S.
was wrong on Georgia
I am not pro-Russian. I am pro-ethical and an advocate for critical
thinking and balanced analysis.
V.Gorbach
On Tue, Sep 9, 2008 at 9:45 PM, <chumache@illinois.edu> wrote:
> Dear Vadim,
>
> Would you please consider stopping this kind of political activism on
behalf of Mr. Putin and K?
>
> Rep. Dana Rohrabacher's comments may be worth to read about some day
in the future, but I have serious doubts that AAUS members should suffer
from this sort of the internet spam.
>
> V. Chumachenko
> UIUC
>
>
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