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fyi,
A conversation,
MP
pyz@bram.acom
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Date: Wed, 01 Dec 2004 16:03:53 -0500
From: hanya@brama.com
To: Max Pyziur <pyz@brama.com>, Myroslaw Smorodsky <myroslaw@smorodsky.com>
Subject: Re: HURI (fwd)
It's just like academics to think that because they're discussing things among
themselves, they're solving the world's problems. Well, whoop-de-doo. I had a
conversation with someone just this morning about everything that's being done
wrong in Ukraine - I can sleep better knowing that I've solved all of Ukraine's
problems.
E-lists are useful only for exchange and development of ideas. As sources of
information for the general public, they are worth absolutely nothing.
Appearing on TV programs is fine. Writing for magazines and newspapers is also
good. But these things alone are not enough. Stephen Cohen - the jerk prof from
NJ who thought the breakup of the Soviet Union was a mistake (and predicted
that it would be glued back together in no time) is also being interviewed on
TV. His opinion is also being heard - and on prime time TV - while our analysts
are talking to each other.
Big you know what.
The better magazines/journals - which is where our elite group of professors
aspire to be published - are fine too. But they do not reach the larger public.
Those are copyrighted materials and reach only a limited audience usually just
more professors. Again, a limited audience.
AP and Reuters are routinely picked up by print media, especially when they
can't spare a journalist or reporter to cover every inch of the story. AP is
okay, but Reuters reporting is clearly anti-Ukrainian. The editorial decisions
of both these companies have to be influenced. Unless they start seeing other
perspectives on the Internet - where, btw, all of them find news, and they do
read what's published on Brama - it's likely that they will all be bamboozled
by the Putin and Kuchma PR team, even AP.
Not to mention that there is still a working theory in government
administrations (I'm sure you can guess which one in particular) that spheres
of influence are to be respected. If the Russians wants Ukraine, well - why
shouldn't they?
Columnists and reporters from media companies also look at Brama. There is
little of real value on our press page, with the exception of the occasional
editorial for Bishop Jesep, or feature article by Tony Leliw. The stuff sent by
UCCA and other orgs is largely ignored. I publish it because it's a community
thing (it would be nice if they helped defray our costs, but I guess that's too
much to ask), but those items really don't bring the readers.
The news page with our links to items published elsewhere is the big draw.
We're better than Google or Yahoo because we sift through the junk (and, yes,
because the database is enhanced with the stuff that we publish). We're better
than Google or Yahoo because our database goes back as far as 1997 (Google and
Yahoo only maintain a month's worth of content), and researchers can track down
sources while following a timeline of news about Ukraine.
And for those who use the Yahoo and Google news searches, Brama articles are
picked up within minutes of publication.
Brama is not the only answer. But it's here now, it works, and should be taken
advantage of in this critical period. Keeping up with the volume of news is
difficult, but it's the best way that we can contribute.
At 02:39 PM 12/1/2004 -0500, Max Pyziur wrote:
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> Date: Wed, 1 Dec 2004 13:28:39 -0500
> From: Myroslaw Smorodsky <myroslaw@smorodsky.com>
> To: "Pyziur, Max(Brama)" <pyz@brama.com>
> Subject: HURI
>
> Here are the emails that started the whole thing;
>
> Regards,
>
> __________________________________________________
>
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>
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>
> Reply-To: "Walter M. Lupan" <wmlupan@gmllaw.com>
> From: "Walter M. Lupan" <wmlupan@gmllaw.com>
> To: "Yuri Wedmid" <yuriw@optonline.net>,
> "Steckiw, Andrew" <aesteckiw@ogsf.net>,
> "Pochoday, Bohdanna" <BohdannaP@aol.com>,
> "Pidgirsky, Andrew" <andrew.pidgirsky@arlaw.com>,
> "Piddoubny, Peter" <peter@lawyers-ny.com>,
> "Pazuniak, George" <Gp@cblhlaw.com>,
> "Myroslaw Smorodsky" <myroslaw@smorodsky.com>,
> "Michniak, Andre" <andre@michniaklaw.com>,
> "Medwid, Nancy" <nancymedwid@yahoo.com>,
> "Badiak, Roman" <admiralaw@aol.com>,
> "Roman Lupan" <roman@lupan.net>,
> "Taras Szmagala" <Terry.Szmagala@averydennison.com>,
> "Sulzynsky, Volodymyr" <Wolodymyr@aol.com>,
> "George Sierant" <gsierant@nyse.com>,
> "Savyckyj, Jurij" <jurijs5000@yahoo.com>,
> "Nalysnyk, Yaroslav" <yaroslavnalysnyk@aol.com>,
> "Mykyta, Ihor" <imykyta@comcast.net>,
> "Evhen Muzyka" <GMuzyka@ARMHQ.com>,
> "Volodymyr Lyczmanenko" <ispro@rcn.com>,
> "Roman Klufas" <Klufas@aol.com>,
> "Eugene Iwanciw" <emiwanciw@aol.com>,
> "Terry Gawryk" <TGawryk@sbcglobal.net>,
> "Fylypovych, Andrew" <afyl@mckhof.com>,
> "Jerry Dzwinyk" <SLAW2@aol.com>,
> "Taras Dobusz" <taras@abac.com>,
> "Dobusz, Hryhoriy" <gh@dobusz.com>,
> "Cybriwsky, Zenko" <zac@mitre.org>
> Subject: Fw: HURI response to Ukrainian Crisis
> Date: Wed, 1 Dec 2004 11:30:59 -0500
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> For those who have not seen it, this is Roma's letter to HURI and its
> Director's pathetic response to "Mr. Lisovich".
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: <mailto:petrop@comcast.net>Peter Paluch
> To: <mailto:asydorenko@astate.edu>Alexander Sydorenko ;
> <mailto:marko@silvercow.net>Marko Suprun ;
> <mailto:mkoziupa@optonline.net>Mykhajlo Koziupa ;
> <mailto:mhryckowian@earthlink.net>Mykola Hryckowian ;
> <mailto:kerda@aol.com>Nusia Kerda ; <mailto:tsyhanka21@hotmail.com>Oksana
> Paluch ; <mailto:halkowycz.z@mellon.com>Zenko Halkowycz ;
> <mailto:olena@sg.inter.edu>Olena H. Saciuk ;
> <mailto:editor@provassn.com>Osyp Roshka ; <mailto:SIMONNIBBS@cs.com>Simon
> Nahnybida ; <mailto:taras@abac.com>Taras Dobusz ;
> <mailto:upaluch@verizon.net>Uljana Paluch ; <mailto:yatato1@aol.com>Victor
> Rud ; <mailto:vicbaba@aol.com>Victor Babanskyj ;
> <mailto:wmlupan@gmllaw.com>Volodymyr & Olia Lupan ;
> <mailto:zach03@frontiernet.net>Volodymyr Zacharkiw ;
> <mailto:myroslaw@smorodsky.com>Zirka & Myroslaw Smorodsky
> Sent: Tuesday, November 30, 2004 5:18 PM
> Subject: FW: HURI response to Ukrainian Crisis
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: <mailto:Romashka1@aol.com>Romashka1@aol.com [mailto:Romashka1@aol.com]
> Sent: Tuesday, November 30, 2004 5:05 PM
> To: <mailto:Yatato1@aol.com>Yatato1@aol.com
> Cc: <mailto:petrop@comcast.net>petrop@comcast.net
> Subject: Fwd: HURI response to Ukrainian Crisis
>
> In a message dated 11/30/2004 4:18:22 P.M. Eastern Standard Time,
> <mailto:flier@fas.harvard.edu>flier@fas.harvard.edu writes:
> Dear Mr. Lisovich:
>
> Thank you for your letter. All of us have watched the events unfolding in
> Ukraine with great concern and have been involved with gathering
> information, disseminating materials, and keeping abreast of the relevant
> activities all around Ukraine, in Europe, and in the United States. We have
> already sponsored several lectures / discussion groups / roundtables at the
> Institute that have drawn good crowds and have planned another such session
> this coming Thursday at 4:00p (see below).
>
> ****************************************************************************************************************
>> The Ukrainian Research Institute will hold a special Ukraine Study Group
>> session at 4:00 PM on December 2. All interested members of the academic
>> community and general public are invited to attend this timely
>> presentation and discussion of:
>>
>> Ukraine's Presidential Election:
>> The "Orange" Revolution
>>
>> Gene Fishel,
>> Senior Analyst
>> U.S. Department of State
>>
>> Thursday, December 2, 2004
>> 4:00 to 6:00 PM
>>
>> Seminar Room, Ukrainian Research Institute
>> 1583 Massachusetts Avenue
>> Cambridge, MA 02138
>> (Near Pound Hall on the Law School campus)
> *****************************************************************************************************************
>
> Meanwhile, several HURI representatives, including myself and our Hrushevsky
> Professor of Ukrainian History, Roman Szporluk, have participated in
> interviews with journalists, and radio/television correspondents here and in
> Europe. We at the Institute frequently serve as sources for media personnel
> working on stories commenting on Ukraine and its current crisis. A great
> deal of the back-and-forth about Ukraine is occurring on the Internet, on
> Ukrainian-related bulletin board websites and we are in constant contact
> with a number of them. In a word, we have not been silent on these
> important issues relevant to the development of true democracy in Ukraine
> and, indeed, have been quite involved in different ways and in different
> media in analyzing and commenting on the fast-paced events as they unfold.
>
> The distortion of Ukrainian history through a Russian prism is, as you
> rightly point out, a recurrent problem that must be challenged at every
> opportunity. We have done that in the past and will continue to correct and
> clarify mistakes, oversights, and clear distortions of Ukrainian history and
> culture wherever they occur.
>
> As for commentary on the current crisis, in case you are not already
> registered on the respective lists, I would recommend that you subscribe to
> Ukraine Report <ArtUkraine.com@starpower.net>, Roman Senkus' bulletin board
> <senkusr@mailbox85.utcc.utoronto.ca>, and Dominique Arel's bulletin board
> <darel@mailbox.uottawa.ca> for commentary from all over the world on the
> happenings in Ukraine, including the writings of Dr. Kuzio.
>
> Sincerely,
>
>
>
> Michael Flier, Director
> HURI
>
>
>
> currently in discussions with other institutions here at Harvard on At 01:08
> PM 11/30/2004, you wrote:
>> In view of the events taking place in Ukraine, many political analysts and
>> historians have been called to give their opinions, analyses and
>> viewpoints. Articles are appearing in the press, written by many
>> academicians from prestigious institutions. For example, I just read one
>> from a Yale professor.
>>
>> Many of these appearing have a pro-Russian view of history. Conspicuously
>> absent are any Ukrainian experts, except for Dr. Taras Kuzio. So far, I
>> have not seen any news media sources utilize Harvard Ukrainian Research
>> Institute as an "expert" resource, and have not come across any articles
>> written by our Huri academicians.
>>
>> It surprises me that HURI, which was established by the community to help
>> foster a greater understanding of Ukrainian issues, sits on the sidelines
>> and as far as I know, silently.
>>
>> Many of the "expert" analyses of Ukrainian history vis a vis Russia which
>> are being circulated are distorted.
>>
>>
>> Perhaps, I have missed HURI-published materials on the subject, and if so,
>> I apologize and ask that they be forwarded to me.
>>
>>
>> Respectfully,
>>
>> Roma Lisovich,
>>
>> Roma Lisovich
>> Treasurer
>> Ukrainian National Association, Inc.
>> 2200 Route 10 West
>> Parsippany, NJ 07054
>> 973 292 9800 ext 3017
>>
>>
>
> From: "Michael Flier" <flier@fas.harvard.edu>
> To: <Romashka1@aol.com>
> Cc: "Roman Szporluk" <szporluk@fas.harvard.edu>,
> "Tymish Holowinsky" <holowins@fas.harvard.edu>
> References: <45.1c6e045d.2ede111b@aol.com>
> Subject: HURI response to Ukrainian Crisis
> Date: Tue, 30 Nov 2004 16:17:28 -0500
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> Dear Mr. Lisovich:
>
> Thank you for your letter. All of us have watched the events unfolding in
> Ukraine with great concern and have been involved with gathering
> information, disseminating materials, and keeping abreast of the relevant
> activities all around Ukraine, in Europe, and in the United States. We have
> already sponsored several lectures / discussion groups / roundtables at the
> Institute that have drawn good crowds and have planned another such session
> this coming Thursday at 4:00p (see below).
>
> ****************************************************************************************************************
>> The Ukrainian Research Institute will hold a special Ukraine Study Group
>> session at 4:00 PM on December 2. All interested members of the academic
>> community and general public are invited to attend this timely
>> presentation and discussion of:
>>
>> Ukraine's Presidential Election:
>> The "Orange" Revolution
>>
>> Gene Fishel,
>> Senior Analyst
>> U.S. Department of State
>>
>> Thursday, December 2, 2004
>> 4:00 to 6:00 PM
>>
>> Seminar Room, Ukrainian Research Institute
>> 1583 Massachusetts Avenue
>> Cambridge, MA 02138
>> (Near Pound Hall on the Law School campus)
>
> *****************************************************************************************************************
>
> Meanwhile, several HURI representatives, including myself and our Hrushevsky
> Professor of Ukrainian History, Roman Szporluk, have participated in
> interviews with journalists, and radio/television correspondents here and in
> Europe. We at the Institute frequently serve as sources for media personnel
> working on stories commenting on Ukraine and its current crisis. A great
> deal of the back-and-forth about Ukraine is occurring on the Internet, on
> Ukrainian-related bulletin board websites and we are in constant contact
> with a number of them. In a word, we have not been silent on these
> important issues relevant to the development of true democracy in Ukraine
> and, indeed, have been quite involved in different ways and in different
> media in analyzing and commenting on the fast-paced events as they unfold.
>
> The distortion of Ukrainian history through a Russian prism is, as you
> rightly point out, a recurrent problem that must be challenged at every
> opportunity. We have done that in the past and will continue to correct and
> clarify mistakes, oversights, and clear distortions of Ukrainian history and
> culture wherever they occur.
>
> As for commentary on the current crisis, in case you are not already
> registered on the respective lists, I would recommend that you subscribe to
> Ukraine Report <ArtUkraine.com@starpower.net>, Roman Senkus' bulletin board
> <senkusr@mailbox85.utcc.utoronto.ca>, and Dominique Arel's bulletin board
> <darel@mailbox.uottawa.ca> for commentary from all over the world on the
> happenings in Ukraine, including the writings of Dr. Kuzio.
>
> Sincerely,
>
>
> Michael Flier, Director
> HURI
>
>
> currently in discussions with other institutions here at Harvard on At 01:08
> PM 11/30/2004, you wrote:
>> In view of the events taking place in Ukraine, many political analysts and
>> historians have been called to give their opinions, analyses and
>> viewpoints. Articles are appearing in the press, written by many
>> academicians from prestigious institutions. For example, I just read one
>> from a Yale professor.
>>
>> Many of these appearing have a pro-Russian view of history. Conspicuously
>> absent are any Ukrainian experts, except for Dr. Taras Kuzio. So far, I
>> have not seen any news media sources utilize Harvard Ukrainian Research
>> Institute as an "expert" resource, and have not come across any articles
>> written by our Huri academicians.
>>
>> It surprises me that HURI, which was established by the community to help
>> foster a greater understanding of Ukrainian issues, sits on the sidelines
>> and as far as I know, silently.
>>
>> Many of the "expert" analyses of Ukrainian history vis a vis Russia which
>> are being circulated are distorted.
>>
>>
>> Perhaps, I have missed HURI-published materials on the subject, and if so,
>> I apologize and ask that they be forwarded to me.
>>
>>
>> Respectfully,
>>
>> Roma Lisovich,
>>
>> Roma Lisovich
>> Treasurer
>> Ukrainian National Association, Inc.
>> 2200 Route 10 West
>> Parsippany, NJ 07054
>> 973 292 9800 ext 3017
>>
>>
>
>
> Reply-To: "Walter M. Lupan" <wmlupan@gmllaw.com>
> From: "Walter M. Lupan" <wmlupan@gmllaw.com>
> To: <myroslaw@smorodsky.com>,
> <zach03@frontiernet.net>,
> <Vicbaba@aol.com>,
> <upaluch@verizon.net>,
> <taras@abac.com>,
> <SIMONNIBBS@cs.com>,
> <editor@provassn.com>,
> <olena@sg.inter.edu>,
> <halkowycz.z@mellon.com>,
> <tsyhanka21@hotmail.com>,
> <KERDA@aol.com>,
> <mhryckowian@earthlink.net>,
> <mkoziupa@optonline.net>,
> <marko@silvercow.net>,
> <asydorenko@astate.edu>,
> <petrop@comcast.net>,
> <Yatato1@aol.com>
> Cc: "Yuri Wedmid" <yuriw@optonline.net>,
> "Taras Szmagala" <Terry.Szmagala@averydennison.com>,
> "Sulzynsky, Volodymyr" <Wolodymyr@aol.com>,
> "George Sierant" <gsierant@nyse.com>,
> "Savyckyj, Jurij" <jurijs5000@yahoo.com>,
> "Roman Petyk" <petyk@pobox.upenn.edu>,
> "Illia Olliynyk" <consul@ukremb.ca>,
> "Nalysnyk, Yaroslav" <yaroslavnalysnyk@aol.com>,
> "Evhen Muzyka" <GMuzyka@ARMHQ.com>,
> "Mykyta, Ihor" <imykyta@comcast.net>,
> "Volodymyr Lyczmanenko" <ispro@rcn.com>,
> "Olia Lupan" <olia@lupan.net>,
> "Roman Klufas" <Klufas@aol.com>,
> "Eugene Iwanciw" <emiwanciw@aol.com>,
> "Terry Gawryk" <TGawryk@sbcglobal.net>,
> "Fylypovych, Andrew" <afyl@mckhof.com>,
> "Jerry Dzwinyk" <SLAW2@aol.com>,
> "Taras Dobusz" <taras@abac.com>,
> "Cybriwsky, Zenko" <zac@mitre.org>,
> "Steckiw, Andrew" <aesteckiw@ogsf.net>,
> "Pochoday, Bohdanna" <BohdannaP@aol.com>,
> "Pidgirsky, Andrew" <andrew.pidgirsky@arlaw.com>,
> "Piddoubny, Peter" <peter@lawyers-ny.com>,
> "Pazuniak, George" <Gp@cblhlaw.com>,
> "Myroslaw Smorodsky" <myroslaw@smorodsky.com>,
> "Michniak, Andre" <andre@michniaklaw.com>,
> "Medwid, Nancy" <nancymedwid@yahoo.com>,
> "Badiak, Roman" <admiralaw@aol.com>,
> "Roman Lupan" <roman@lupan.net>
> References: <1ea.30d29cca.2ede8453@aol.com>
> Subject: Re: HURI response to Ukrainian Crisis
> Date: Wed, 1 Dec 2004 10:55:25 -0500
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> I just got off the phone with one of the "Professors" from HURI and read him
> the riot act. I told him that HURI is an embarrassment to the Ukrainian
> community in Massachusetts, the US and the world. He sheepishly agreed that
> the response of HURI's Director, Michael Flier, to Roma's letter was poor
> and would not have gone out if reviewed by others. I suggested that Flier
> resign. If this is not a time for HURI to have some social relevance, there
> will never be a time. If they are not capable of assisting in, if not
> responding to, the current events, as was suggested, they should close up
> the shop. Contemplating their navel, and giving seminars on dead people and
> the origin of the word "Rus" does nothing for anyone other than the
> intellectual parasites that came to our community over the many years with
> their hats in their hand asking us to fund their livelihood in the name of
> academic freedom. I recommend that everyone who cares about what is
> happening in Ukraine tell HURI that it should trade in one of its highly
> paid for Chairs for a backbone and a justification for its existence. Your
> comments should be sent to
> <mailto:holowins@FAS.harvard.edu>holowins@FAS.harvard.edu. Vlodko L.
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: <mailto:Yatato1@aol.com>Yatato1@aol.com
> To: <mailto:wmlupan@gmllaw.com>wmlupan@gmllaw.com ;
> <mailto:petrop@comcast.net>petrop@comcast.net ;
> <mailto:asydorenko@astate.edu>asydorenko@astate.edu ;
> <mailto:marko@silvercow.net>marko@silvercow.net ;
> <mailto:mkoziupa@optonline.net>mkoziupa@optonline.net ;
> <mailto:mhryckowian@earthlink.net>mhryckowian@earthlink.net ;
> <mailto:KERDA@aol.com>KERDA@aol.com ;
> <mailto:tsyhanka21@hotmail.com>tsyhanka21@hotmail.com ;
> <mailto:halkowycz.z@mellon.com>halkowycz.z@mellon.com ;
> <mailto:olena@sg.inter.edu>olena@sg.inter.edu ;
> <mailto:editor@provassn.com>editor@provassn.com ;
> <mailto:SIMONNIBBS@cs.com>SIMONNIBBS@cs.com ;
> <mailto:taras@abac.com>taras@abac.com ;
> <mailto:upaluch@verizon.net>upaluch@verizon.net ;
> <mailto:Vicbaba@aol.com>Vicbaba@aol.com ;
> <mailto:zach03@frontiernet.net>zach03@frontiernet.net ;
> <mailto:myroslaw@smorodsky.com>myroslaw@smorodsky.com
> Sent: Tuesday, November 30, 2004 9:20 PM
> Subject: Re: HURI response to Ukrainian Crisis
>
> Let me try to figure this out: Since (a) the request was for copies of
> whatever HURI wrote, and since (b) apparently none were forwarded, and since
> (c) it would be logical (partially because it's in HURI's own interest to
> publicize any such article) to assume that if anything had been written they
> would have forwarded it, then (d) they didn't write any. So this is what
> we get for all that money . . . 35 years have passed during which something
> practical could have been done . . . look at Dershowitz.
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